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Νομιζω οτι σε αυτες τις συνθηκες ακομα και η Οκταβια θα ειχε "προβλημα"! Πολυ δε περισσοτερο η 159 η οποια χανει λιγο και λογω μικροτερου κυβισμου κινητηρα... ;)

Η αληθεια ειναι οτι δεν την εχω οδηγησει την 159 με αυτο το μοτερ αλλα τα σχολια που εχω ακουσει ειναι ακρως κολλακευτικα!!!

Που ακριβώς δεν το είδες; :confused:

 

Που ακριβως θα επρεπε να το δω? :)

 

Νομιζω οτι σε αυτες τις συνθηκες ακομα και η Οκταβια θα ειχε "προβλημα"! Πολυ δε περισσοτερο η 159 η οποια χανει λιγο και λογω μικροτερου κυβισμου κινητηρα... ;)

Η αληθεια ειναι οτι δεν την εχω οδηγησει την 159 με αυτο το μοτερ αλλα τα σχολια που εχω ακουσει ειναι ακρως κολλακευτικα!!!

 

Εχω την εντυπωση πως και αδεια να ηταν χωρις κλιμα κλπ κλπ παλι δεν θα ηταν εξισου γρηγορη.Για να πω την αληθεια μου φανηκε πιο αργη απο superb με τα 193.αλλα ισως να εβγαλα λαθος συμπερασματα οποτε επιφυλασομαι της τελικης αποψης.

 

Αυτο απο την αλλη που μου αρεσε ηταν η ποιοτητα κυλισης και το κρατημα που ηταν υπερανω πασης υποψιας...

Που ακριβως θα επρεπε να το δω? :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Σχέδιο μέσα-έξω.

Ποιότητα, υλικά, άνεση, στήσιμο, συμπεριφορά.

Εκεί που υπάρχει με άλλα λόγια.

 

 

Γιωργο η αλφα ειναι αρκετα πανω απο 1500 κιλα...

 

 

 

1430/1480 κιλα ειναι το διαβασα στα τεχνικα της χαρακτηριστικα στο σαιτ της αλφαρομεο.

 

1480 τη δίνει η εταιρεία και μετρημένη είναι καμια 100στη κιλά ακόμα.

1430/1480 λεει το σαιτ . τι εννοει? αναλογα τον εξοπλισμο μπορει να ειναι απο 1430-1480?

1400-1440 ειναι το οκταβια.

παντως οτι και να ειναι εμενα μου αρεσει και σχεδιαστικα και το εσωτερικο του ειναι σουπερ.

Σχέδιο μέσα-έξω.

Ποιότητα, υλικά, άνεση, στήσιμο, συμπεριφορά.

Εκεί που υπάρχει με άλλα λόγια.

 

 

hmm,πες το ετσι γιατι διαφορετικα κρινει ο καθενας τις κατηγοριες,αλλος συμφωνα με εξωτερικες διαστασεις,αλλος συμφωνα με τους χωρους κλπ κλπ.

 

Η κατηγορια κατω παντως δεν οριζεται απο το σχεδιο,ασχετως αν η ιταλιδα ειναι κουκλαρα και προσωπικα μ'αρεσει περισσοτερο απο την octavia μου.Ποιοτητα απο ενα συντομο test drive δεν μπορω να κρινω,τα υλικα ηταν πολυ καλα αλλα αυτα θα τα δουμε και θα τα κρινουμε τον καιρο.Ανεση,στησιμο,συμπεριφορα απο αλλο πλανητη....αλλα απο γκαζι...εν αναμονη των επισημων μετρησεων,μετρησεων απο περιοδικα και δυναμομετρησεων...ακομα,το αυτοκινητο της δοκιμης κοστιζε 31.100 ευρω ενω το skoda μου 24.500,ειναι αρκετη η διαφορα....

 

@gsa Το 5 rs το εχω μετρησει σε πλαστιγγα 1440 κιλα,η αλφα μου εδινε την αισθηση πως ειναι τουλαχιστον 100 κιλα πιο βαρια...

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Τα λογια ειναι περιττα...:love:

αμαξαρα, πολυ ομορφο ειναι.

Γεια σας παιδια αν και ειμαι μικρος ειμαι λατρεις εδω και καιρο των Alfa Romeo αλλα δεν ειχα προσεξει το θεμα.Πραγματικα φοβερο,πανεμορφο-ιταλικο γλυπτο!

Οι νεοι κινητηρες Multiair της Mito

 

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MiTo 1.4 MultiAir 105 ίππους 130Nm 1090χγ 0-100 10,7(δ) τελική 187χμαω μέση κατανάλωση 5,8λτ/100χμ εκπομπές CO2 136γ/χμ

MiTo 1.4 TB MultiAir 135 ίππους 206Nm 1135χγ 0-100 8,4(δ) τελική 207χμαω μέση κατανάλωση 5,6λτ/100χμ εκπομπές CO2 129γ/χμ

MiTo 1.4 TB MultiAir 170 ίππους 250Νm 1145χγ 0-100 7,5(δ) τελική 219χμαω μέση κατανάλωση 6,0λτ/100χμ εκπομπές CO2 139γ/χμ

 

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photo galley

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Απο το τελος του χρονου θα εφοδιαζεται η MiTo με τους MultiAir κινητηρες.Σωστα?

Απο το τελος του χρονου θα εφοδιαζεται η MiTo με τους MultiAir κινητηρες.Σωστα?

Περι τα μεσα Σεπτεμβρη θα μπορεις να παραγγειλεις τη Mito με τους νεους κινητηρες.

 

επίσημες τιμές στην Ιταλία...(+1000e περιπου οι τιμες στην Ελλαδα)

MiTo 1.4 MultiAir 105hp Progression 15.800

MiTo 1.4 MultiAir 105hp Distinctive 17.400

MiTo 1.4 TB MultiAir 135hp Progression 17.400

MiTo 1.4TB MultiAir 135hp Distinctive 19.000

MiTo 1.4TB MultiAir 170hp Quadrifoglio Verde 21.000

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H νεα εκδοση της Mito....Quadrifoglio Verde

 

-στάνταρ ενεργητικές αναρτήσεις SDC (η ρύθμιση στην ανάρτηση θα αλλάζει ανάλογα την επιλογή στο DNA...με την επιλογή Sport χαμηλώνει κάπου 20mm σε σχέση με τη Normal)

-νέο κιβώτιο C635 με χαμηλές απώλειες, εξαιρετική αίσθηση και κοντές σχέσεις κατάλληλο για δυναμική οδήγηση...

-Διαθεσιμη αποκλειστικα με τον 1.4 TB MultiAir 170hp

MiTo Quadrifoglio Verde, world premiere

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Available following the launch of the 105 and 135 hp MultiAir engines, the world premiere of the Alfa Romeo MiTo Quadrifoglio Verde with 170 hp 1.4 MultiAir TBi takes place in Frankfurt. The exclusive trim brings back a legendary symbol that over the years has appeared on some of Alfa Romeo's sportiest cars. Having always been synonymous with heritage, racing and victory, the “Quadrifoglio Verde” (four-leaf clover) now represents a new kind of sportiness that combines maximum driving pleasure with improved environmental qualities.

Bearing the Quadrifoglio Verde is this MiTo with the most powerful 170 hp MultiAir engine and innovative solutions that accentuate the existing qualities of the model: hold, agility, active safety and driveability are heightened by an engine with one of the highest specific power values in the world and a chassis with features hitherto unthinkable for a car in this class.

This engine's best feature is its outstanding weight/power ratio, which has always been one of the key factors behind Alfa Romeo's success on the road and the racetrack. The class-leading ratio of 6.7 kg/hp is almost 10 per cent better than the already excellent performance of the current 155 hp 1.4 TBi. At 124 hp/litre, this engine is also one of the world leaders in specific power. In fact, this is the highest value ever recorded for an Alfa car, affirming the excellent engineering heritage of the Alfa MiTo.

This is a particularly important value because it proves the effectiveness of downsizing, aimed at producing high-tech engines to get better performance allied with sharp reductions in fuel consumption and emissions. Indeed, it is this latter area which provides the most surprising evidence of the technical level achieved: 4.8 l/100 km (in the extra-urban cycle) and 139 g/km of CO2 are closer to what you would expect from an economy car than a compact sports car that goes from 0 to 100 km/h in just over 7 seconds.

On the back of these exceptional power qualities and the unbeatable performance/consumption ratio, Alfa Romeo decided to give a sporty and technological feel to this Quadrifoglio Verde version with high-quality finishes, attention to detail and a raft of features. One example is the 17" satin titanium-finished wheels (based on the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione supercar). The same colour is used for the headlight frames and the wing mirrors, while the dark finish of the headlight parabolas is achieved by a brand new metal sublimation technology. The interior also has a refined sporty feel thanks to the all-black environment that ensures no reflections or distractions while driving. The technological aspect of this car is further enhanced by the sporty fabric used to upholster the seats, the modern dashboard and the white lighting on the instrument panel.

It should also be stressed that Alfa Romeo has developed an innovative chassis upgrade to further emphasise the dynamic qualities of the MiTo Quadrifoglio Verde.

 

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Dynamic Suspension

 

Competitive racing has always been a testing ground for new technologies, which have found their way from the world's most famous racetracks to standard road cars. One example of this passage between two seemingly very different worlds is dynamic suspension. This system, which actively and continuously controls the electronic shock absorbers, was developed by combining Alfa Romeo road testing with the latest engineering techniques from Magneti Marelli.

So, using experience gained on the racetrack, the system allows the MiTo Quadrifoglio Verde to excel even further in terms of agility and handling, giving it exceptional driveability and unparalleled safety. The driver gets three benefits from the Dynamic Suspension system: comfort, safety and agility. Above all, the electronic shock absorbers adapt to the road conditions and control all the car's movements. This guarantees maximum comfort and ensures that the unevenness of road surfaces is fully absorbed. In addition, the Dynamic Suspension system always ensures maximum grip and safety by actively responding to all road conditions. Finally, because roll and pitch are more restricted in all conditions, there is better stability and cornering that adds to the undoubted agility of the Alfa Romeo MiTo.

The suspension interacts perfectly with the three different control strategies of the Alfa DNA system. In “Normal”, agility is combined with a higher level of comfort, whereas in "All Weather", the safety features are enhanced by continual interaction between the Vehicle Dynamic Control stability system, the steering and the suspension. Finally, in “Dynamic”, the MiTo becomes a true sports car clinging to the ground and fit for any road: it is no coincidence that the system was developed at the historic Balocco test track and round the corners of the Nurburgring. So, thanks to the hard work of Alfa Romeo and Magneti Marelli, the car is responsive and reliable when you turn the steering wheel or put your foot on the accelerator.

The innovative Dynamic Suspension system is made up of four electronically controlled shock absorbers, five accelerometric sensors, a control unit and an interface with Alfa DNA for the different settings and with the other on-board electronic systems.

Its main feature is to actively and continuously control the response of the shock absorbers, which adapt depending on the movement of the car and the road conditions, as well as the driving style. To sum up, the Dynamic Suspension system better protects passengers from uneven road surfaces thanks to an effective filtering and optimises comfort by recognising an obstacle (such as a bump or a hole) and adapting suspension behaviour accordingly. The system also ensures better cornering by altering damping distribution of the four shock absorbers, enhancing handling and hold thanks to advanced lateral dynamic control. What's more, the Dynamic Suspension system manages longitudinal dynamic control by adjusting the movement of the chassis during acceleration, braking and gear changes, and by integrating perfectly with the Vehicle Dynamic Control, steering and braking systems.

 

 

The new six-speed C635 gearbox

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The technological qualities of the Alfa Romeo MiTo Quadrifoglio Verde are further enhanced by the next-generation C635 gearbox. Developed by FPT and manufactured at the Verrone factory in Italy, this groundbreaking mechanical unit is the first result of a design philosophy aimed at improving driveability, consumption levels and production flexibility.

As far as driveability is concerned, the new gearbox ensures clean and swift changes with very short selection movements, uniform activation pressures, no noise and no vibrations. In addition, modern design and construction techniques help to significantly reduce consumption levels thanks to less friction and the best possible gear ratios.

Its appearance in the Alfa MiTo 170 hp 1.4 MultiAir TBi marks the debut of a modern family of gearboxes adapted for a broad range of models.

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speechless!

forza italia!

δηλαδή , το ''τετράφυλλο'' επανέρχεται πολύ δυναμικά!!:D

speechless!

forza italia!

δηλαδή , το ''τετράφυλλο'' επανέρχεται πολύ δυναμικά!!:D

 

Και βαζει ακομα περισσοτερη φωτια στην κατηγορια του.

Ολα αυτα που προσφερει τα βρισκεις σε κατηγοριες αμαξιων πολλων χιλιαδων ευρω παραπανω.

απλα αγαπαμε τις Αλφα τα ποιο ψυχωμενα αυτοκινητα που υπαρχουν .........μολις πας 18 μια 75 θα παρω.............. και πολυ θα γουσταρω

ελπιζω να εχει και λογικη τιμη.

απλα αγαπαμε τις Αλφα τα ποιο ψυχωμενα αυτοκινητα που υπαρχουν .........μολις πας 18 μια 75 θα παρω.............. και πολυ θα γουσταρω

 

Ρε φίλε τι είπες τώρα ?????

Alfa Romeo 75 :drool::drool::drool::heat::heat::heat:

 

Κι εγώ θέλω να πάρω μία τέτοια κάποτε αλλά και ζημιάρικο ****το με ακριβή συντήρηση και λίγο δύσκολα βρίσκεις ανταλλακτικά...

Μito QV

 

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καλησπερα παιδια..να ρωτησω,εβγαινε τετραφυλλη 147 facelift??&ποια η διαφορα με τις αλλες??επισης η gt(1.8) ποσο ποιο σπορ ειναι απο μια 147 facelift(1.6)??αναμεσα στις δυο λογικα η gt ειναι καλυτερο αμαξι οδηγικα(?)

καλησπερα παιδια..να ρωτησω,εβγαινε τετραφυλλη 147 facelift??&ποια η διαφορα με τις αλλες??επισης η gt(1.8) ποσο ποιο σπορ ειναι απο μια 147 facelift(1.6)??αναμεσα στις δυο λογικα η gt ειναι καλυτερο αμαξι οδηγικα(?)

 

Όχι, είχε βγάλει μια έκδοση ο τοπικός αντιπρόσωπος στην Ολλανδία αλλά στην

ουσία η ΤΙ ήταν.

Στην ουσία τα ίδια αμάξια είναι (μέχρι την πόρτα ακριβώς τα ίδια) με την GT να

αρέσκεται περισσότερο σε ανοιχτές καμπές,αν θέλεις ένα αυτοκίνητο για άνετα

ταξίδια με υψηλές μέσες πάρε την GT,για όλα τα άλλα η 47 είναι καλύτερη.

Όχι, είχε βγάλει μια έκδοση ο τοπικός αντιπρόσωπος στην Ολλανδία αλλά στην

ουσία η ΤΙ ήταν.

Στην ουσία τα ίδια αμάξια είναι (μέχρι την πόρτα ακριβώς τα ίδια) με την GT να

αρέσκεται περισσότερο σε ανοιχτές καμπές,αν θέλεις ένα αυτοκίνητο για άνετα

ταξίδια με υψηλές μέσες πάρε την GT,για όλα τα άλλα η 47 είναι καλύτερη.

 

ευχαριστω,προτιμω τις γρηγορες στροφες..απλα απο απορια ακομα ψαχνομαι:p

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Alfa Romeo Giulietta: world preview

 

The new Alfa Romeo Giulietta will be presented to the world at the forthcoming Geneva Car Show. Sales of the new model will start in spring and be gradually extended to all the major markets. The Alfa Romeo Giulietta is expected to give new impetus to the brand in one of Europe's most important segments.

 

In the Centenary year, the name is a tribute to an automobile myth and Alfa Romeo. The Giulietta is a car that, in the fifties, caught the imagination of generations of car enthusiasts, making the dream of owning an Alfa Romeo and enjoying the high level of comfort and technical excellence accessible for the first time.

 

The Alfa Romeo Style Centre has produced a new Giulietta, a sports car capable of expressing both great agility on the most demanding routes and providing comfort on everyday roads.

 

A new architecture for enhancing road hold and agility in total comfort and safety

 

Meet the new Alfa Romeo, a compact created to appeal to customers who seek top dynamic performance and those who are looking for a distinctive style and a high level of comfort.

 

The Giulietta has brand-new architecture, designed to meet the expectations of the most demanding customers in terms of road holding, agility and safety. Its excellent dynamic performance and great comfort are the result of refined technical solutions implemented in the suspensions, a next-generation steering system, a rigid yet light structure made of aluminium and high-strength steel, and state-of-the-art manufacturing technologies.

 

Alfa DNA, a device which customises behaviour of the car according to different driving styles and road conditions, can adapt the new Alfa Romeo to the needs of each individual driver to enhance driving pleasure and comfort. The new architecture of the Alfa Giulietta was designed to integrate and enhance all onboard systems. Three set-ups (Dynamic, Normal and All Weather) are available and can be selected using the Alfa DNA. This device - standard across the entire range of the new model - modifies the operating parameters of the engine, of the steering system, and of the Q2 electronic differential, in addition to fine-tuning the stability control system (VDC) behavioural logics.

 

Italian style sportiness and comfort

 

Combining sportiness and elegance, the Alfa Giulietta is the result of Alfa Romeo's new direction in style and technology - an approach that started with the 8C Competizione supercar and which recalls the brand's glorious past while projecting its traditional values of technology and emotion into the future.

 

The front end is developed around a “trilobe shape” and features a brand-new interpretation of the classic Alfa grille, set into the front bumper and suspended between the two air intakes. The entire car develops from here to combine a lively personality with an elegant form. The front headlamps implement LED technology and a Daytime Running Lights (DRL) function for maximum active safety.

 

The profile of the Alfa Romeo Giulietta is rich in personality and confers the appearance of an agile, solid model. This is above all the result of the coupé shaped side windows, which highlight dynamic and streamlined shape, and of the concealed rear handles. The side ribbing adds to the car's slender look, while the taut lines closing in on the rear end accentuate the "wedge" shape of the body.

 

The style of the rear end, like that of the front and the side, is strong and consolidates the impression of a muscular car, firmly gripped to the road. Like the headlamps, the rear light clusters implement LED technology, to the advantage of preventive safety, in addition to good looks.

 

The interior design is taut and light: a horizontally developed dashboard with aluminium element accents and rocker controls which explicitly recall the 8C Competizione. Painstaking attention to detail and the high quality of the materials used are the most advanced expression of Italian style.

 

Finally, the dimensions of the new car give a compact, dynamic shape combined with excellent roominess and a capacious boot (350 litres): the car is 4.35 metres long, 1.46 metre high and 1.80 metres wide with a wheelbase of 2.63 metres.

 

Innovative engines for exciting, environmentally friendly driving

 

The Alfa Romeo Giulietta guarantees top level performance and next-generation technology in terms of technical solutions, performance and environmental friendliness. Four Turbo engines will be available at launch, all Euro 5 compliant and fitted with a standard “Start&Stop” system for reducing consumption and emissions: two petrol engines (1.4TB - 120 HP and 1.4TB MultiAir - 170 HP) and two diesel engines (1.6 JTDM - 105 HP and 2.0 JTDM - 170 HP, both belonging to the second generation of JTDM engines). Finally, the range is completed with the lively 1750 TBi - 235 HP with an exclusive Quadrifoglio Verde configuration.

 

Safety and dynamic behaviour at the top of the segment

 

Alfa Romeo Giulietta was designed to obtain the maximum Euro NCAP rating in order to offer total protection to driver and passengers. Furthermore, suspension, steering and braking system are designed to be perfectly balanced even during extreme manoeuvres.

 

Finally, the Alfa Romeo Giulietta is fitted with the most sophisticated electronic devices for dynamic control as standard: VDC (Vehicle Dynamic Control), DST (Dynamic Steering Torque), Q2 electronic differential and Alfa DNA selector. All these systems guarantee driving safety, dynamism and performance in the best Alfa Romeo tradition.

 

διαστάσεις

μήκος 435cm +13

πλάτος 180cm +7cm

ύψος 146cm +2cm

μεταξόνιο 263cm +8cm

χώρος αποσκευών 350lt +70lt

 

αρχικά διαθέτει 5 κινητήρες, τρεις βενζίνης ολοι με start and stop

 

1.4TB 120hp

1.4TB MultiAir 170hp

1750 TBi 235hp "QV"

 

και δύο ντήζελ

 

1.6JTDm 105hp

2.0JTDm 170hp

ειναι πολυ ομορφη. και εχει μοτερ για ολα τα γουστα.

ειδικα το 1.8 με τα 235 αλογα ειναι μουρλια.

Εγω δεν βρισκω κατι το ξεχωριστο, με συγχωρειτε... Ειδικα στο μπροστινο της μερος!

Το πισω μερος της μου αρεσε παρα πολυ! Μου αρεσε αυτος το περιγραμμα των πισω φωτων... Αλλα το μπροστα δεν μου φαινεται εξισου δυναμικο... Δεν εχει την δυναμικοτητα της 147! Ουτε αυτη ουτε και η Mito!

Απο εκει και περα μηχανικα δεν νομιζω οτι παιζεται... Τα μοτερ ειναι πραγματικα αξιολογα!!!

Ενα τετοια να ειχα στην 147 μου και δεν θα την αλλαζα ποτε...