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Εντυπωσιακό look, δυνατότητες, κινητήρας και στήσιμο...

Αισχρό εσωτερικό σε θέμα design. Σαν να βλέπω αμάξι δεκαετίας 70-80... Δε μου αρέσει καθόλου το ρετρό design της... :down:

Αισχρό εσωτερικό σε θέμα design. Σαν να βλέπω αμάξι δεκαετίας 70-80... Δε μου αρέσει καθόλου το ρετρό design της... :down:

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η δικιά μας alfa είναι πάντα η καλύτερη εεεεε :p

δεν παραξενεύομαι που οι alfistes έχουν τέτοια φήμη

πέρα απο την πλάκα πρέπει να πω οτι ειδικά απο το εσωτερικό είμαι γοητευμένος

Alfa Romeo 159 - In depth

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The undisputed star of the recent Geneva International Motor Show, the Alfa 159 now makes its market debut. The founder of the new family that will replace the 156, and therefore the heir to a successful model (from 1997 to the present day over 680,000 units have been sold), this original saloon takes up the baton, to become the new benchmark in its segment. Born from Alfa's long, acknowledged experience in the production of prestigious sports saloons, the Alfa 159 heralds a new generation of cars from Alfa. The 159 Project is the result of innovative design methodologies developed by an international team that has succeeded in combining performance and formerly irreconcilable targets - extremely entertaining driving, outstanding performance and distinctive styling - with outstanding levels of safety, comfort and sturdiness, without compromise.

Brera spider

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Μη την προκαλειτε

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Mia bella!!!!

Μα γιατί δεν έχουν καταργήσει ακόμα τα ασημί και λοιπά κοινοφανή χρώματα???

Alfa red και μαύρο μεταλλικό φτάνουν (και κανένα κιτρινάκι για τα cabrio :D )

Αλλά όντως, το πλέον μαφιόζικο look είναι με μαύρο μεταλλικό σε GT...

Εντυπωσιακό look, δυνατότητες, κινητήρας και στήσιμο...

 

Αισχρό εσωτερικό σε θέμα design. Σαν να βλέπω αμάξι δεκαετίας 70-80... Δε μου αρέσει καθόλου το ρετρό design της... :down:

Θα συμφωνήσω. Ίσως βέβαια το "αισχρό" σαν λέξη είναι παρατραβηγμένο, αλλά σίγουρα κάτι με ξενίζει στο εσωτερικό. Για το εξωτερικό look και τα technical specifications ότι και να πούμε είναι λίγο! Απίστευτο! :yahoo:

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η δικιά μας alfa είναι πάντα η καλύτερη εεεεε :p

δεν παραξενεύομαι που οι alfistes έχουν τέτοια φήμη

 

πέρα απο την πλάκα πρέπει να πω οτι ειδικά απο το εσωτερικό είμαι γοητευμένος

Nope... Den einai i kalyteri... Exei omws ena eswteriko pou me kalyptei. Oute tis Brera mou aresei to eswteriko poly, ayto ti paei na pei oti i 147 einai kalyteri apo tin Brera? :wacko: :w00t:

Exw apla gnwmi, kai to diko mou proswpiko gousto... Kai vlepontas tin 159 alla kai tin Brera, lew oti de mou aresei to eswteriko. Nai einai paratravigmeno to aisxro fysika, alla katalavate ti ennow :)

Kai oxi, me ayto to eswteriko DEN tha parw tin 159... An kai i 149 einai etsi, pali edw tha eimai na pw oti DEN tha tin parw...

Mην ανησυχειται.....Ο νεος V6 οχι μονο ειναι καλυτερος απο τον V6-arese αλλα και δεν εχει χασει σε τιποτα απο την παραδοσιακη του χροια.....

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Αutocar

"The engines - all of them- feel exactly like Alfa engines should. The V6 you could easily mistake for the outgoing unit, with the same all-encompassing smoothness and wide power band, the same growl progressing into a snart when you ask for serious power, except that there's more of it now. This is a serious rival for the finest BMW straight six and performance is well up to the class standard (150mph, 0-62mph in 7.0 sec)."

 

Kai oxi, me ayto to eswteriko DEN tha parw tin 159... An kai i 149 einai etsi, pali edw tha eimai na pw oti DEN tha tin parw...

Emena to esoteriko mou aresei, to eksoteriko mou aresei alla isos auto to esoteriko na min pigainei kai toso me auto to eksoteriko

Ostoso den nomizo na me stamatouse an ithela na tin paro eno antitheta to facelift tis 147 me stamatise:(

Gousta einai auta den antilego opote stin anamoni gia 149? tha deiksei mexri tote. alitheia pote?

Emena to esoteriko mou aresei, to eksoteriko mou aresei alla isos auto to esoteriko na min pigainei kai toso me auto to eksoteriko

Ostoso den nomizo na me stamatouse an ithela na tin paro eno antitheta to facelift tis 147 me stamatise:(

Gousta einai auta den antilego opote stin anamoni gia 149? tha deiksei mexri tote. alitheia pote?

Prosopika goustaro pou oi italoi epimenoun ''retro'' :cool:

Oso gia tin poiotita ton ilikon me tamplo daneismeno apo tin 8c competizione kai malaka ilika akoma kai sta xamila meri tis portas den epidexetai kritikis..... ;)

Emena to esoteriko mou aresei, to eksoteriko mou aresei alla isos auto to esoteriko na min pigainei kai toso me auto to eksoteriko

Ostoso den nomizo na me stamatouse an ithela na tin paro eno antitheta to facelift tis 147 me stamatise:(

Gousta einai auta den antilego opote stin anamoni gia 149? tha deiksei mexri tote. alitheia pote?

Εσυ χανεις....! ;)

alfa 159 / 1828mm / 1578mm

bmw 3 / 1817mm / 1500mm

bmw 5 / 1846mm / 1558mm

bmw 6 / 1855mm / 1558mm

Kai oxi, me ayto to eswteriko DEN tha parw tin 159...

Αν πάντως σου την προσφέρει κανείς κι εσύ δεν την θες, εδώ είμαι εγώ! :D

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1)Passive safety

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One aim of the new Alfa 159 Project was to set the benchmark for passive safety. To do this, the Alfa Romeo engineers designed and developed the new "premium" floorpan, with high performance materials, multiply sheet metal and laser welding. The architecture of the bodyshell also benefits from numerous measures such as the use of boxed elements that are connected rigidly both transversely and vertically, three load lines in the front, longitudinals that run the whole length of the car, built-in structures and a larger number of spot welds around structural nodes. The result is the excellent torsional rigidity of the bodyshell, the best in its segment at over 180,000 daNm/rad

2)Front suspension and steering

The new high wishbone layout adopted on the front suspension is the ideal solution to guarantee precise control of wheel movement, with a clearly defined steering axis. The architecture was borrowed from racing and endows the car with outstanding dynamic performance, and extremely sensitive, pinpoint steering. The high double wishbone was already used on the 156 and has been further improved on the new Alfa 159.

First of all, the steering axis was brought closer to the centre of the wheel, increasing the Ackerman level (to increase parallel wheel movement when steering) for better response when cornering, thanks to the steering which is the most direct in its category. The steering of the new Alfa 159 has an excellent ratio (12.7° steer for every degree of wheel steer) which translates into a more direct response for the driver, more responsive steering and better stability control. What is more, painstaking analysis of the matching of the steering geometry and the wheelarch volume, made it possible to achieve high steering angles even with the largest tyres, and this significantly improved the turning circle between kerbs (11.1 metres).

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Great attention was paid to the new wheel upright where it connects to the levers, exploiting the available space inside the rims in full, and this has significant advantages in terms of lateral rigidity; the size of the coaxial damper spring unit has been increased to improve its capacity to absorb road roughness; the aluminium lower wishbone combines excellent structural characteristics and a much lower weight; the upper aluminium arm fits a pair of dry friction sliding bushes, a solution chosen because it is stronger and more reliable, and guarantees a more progressive action. And finally, the suspension is connected to the chassis by a closed geometry frame which is stiffer than the previous solution which had a simple crossbeam.

3)The rear suspension of the Alfa 159 now features:

• A higher anchorage point of the longitudinal link, which is now positioned higher than the centre of the wheel, allowing the suspension to perform a longer, more flexible stroke, with an optimal response when negotiating an obstacle.

• The aluminium upright, fitted with a third generation, extremely rigid hub, supports the connection bushes for the camber lever and the longitudinal link.

• The bi-tube spring-damper unit is larger than other conventional solutions, this achieves a better compromise between handling and comfort.

• The camber link, which allows the static camber to be adjusted and produces a geometry capable of guaranteeing a good camber recovery with wheel shake to ensure that the wheel rests perfectly on the road and wear is thus uniform, even when the car is pushed to the limit.

• The rear hydraulic bush guarantees excellent filtering of roughness, and allows the wheel to retract slightly when negotiating an obstacle.

• A high yield steel crossbeam isolated from the bodyshell by four elastic bushes that dampen high frequency vibration.

4)The Alfa Romeo Q4 four-wheel drive system

The new Alfa 159 proposes an evolution of the permanent 4x4 system with three differentials (with a Torsen C self-locking unit at the centre) already adopted on the Crosswagon Q4. The heart of this project is the "Alfa Romeo Q4 four-wheel drive" system which splits torque constantly and dynamically between the four wheels, reaching the highest levels of active safety and sportiness. The Torsen C self-locking differential sends drive torque 57% to the rear wheels and 43% to the front. The system also guarantees excellent traction in all grip conditions by automatically checking slip.

The torque split between the front and rear axles is modulated constantly by the Torsen C central differential on the basis of grip. This feature harnesses sportiness to enhance active safety. Modulation is mechanical, continuous and gradual, to enhance the perception of optimal, enjoyable, easy driving. There are no gaps in the torque delivery. Where grip is concerned, the behaviour adapts gradually and smoothly to changing road conditions. This "mechanical" control is backed up by electronic stability control, which boosts performance and safety margins, in line with the Alfa Romeo philosophy. The four-wheel drive car is the state of the art in technical terms and offers important advantages.

• Q4 permanent four-wheel drive with a Torsen C self-locking differential makes for better roadholding, entertainment and smooth responses. Other technological archetypes with electronically controlled joints do not achieve the optimal balance between understeer and oversteer or the smoothness that are innate in the Alfa 159, and translate into superb active safety.

• The torque split in favour of the rear axle makes driving even more entertaining, because it makes the car even easier to handle, without detracting in any way from stability during sudden lane changes on the motorway, or other emergency manoeuvres.

• The ability to travel safely in poor grip conditions without the aid of electronics in torque split for constant driving pleasure.

We could say that the Alfa 159 Q4 interprets four-wheel drive from the Alfa Romeo point of view: it is basically a "mechanical" system enhanced by cutting edge electronic technology to guarantee maximum comfort and entertainment, combined with superb performance and absolute safety.

5)Main technical features

The new 6-cylinder engine of the Alfa 159 continues the strategy begun with the 4-cylinder engines, and adopts the JTS (Jet Thrust Stoichiometric) direct injection system. This is an original Alfa Romeo concept that injects the fuel directly into the combustion chamber with a stoichiometric mixture optimised to enhance performance, but also guarantees low consumption and respect for the Euro4 emissions limits.

Numerous important components have been designed from scratch and are exclusive to the Alfa Romeo V6 engine. To start with, the cylinder head is aluminium and has 4 valves per cylinder, 2 camshafts per bank with the "Twin Phaser" continuous variable valve timing (intake and exhaust) already adopted on Alfa Romeo 4-cylinder engines and now applied on a 6-cylinder engine for the first time. Variable valve timing allows the phase angle on both cams to be varied by 50°, maximising performance on one hand, because the best phase can be chosen at all engine speeds, and reducing consumption and emissions with partial loads on the other.

At the same time it is possible to optimise the volumetric efficiency of the engine over the whole operating range, exploiting the degrees of freedom offered by variable valve timing: this means a very favourable torque curve, with 90% of peak torque available from 1800 rpm (290 Nm) and maintained over a broad range (from 1800 rpm to 6250 rpm). The valves are controlled by a roller finger system, with low mechanical dissipation, and hydraulic uptake of tappet play.

Another peculiar feature is the camshaft drive system which uses a primary chain that transmits the drive to the heads via two secondary chains. Tension is provided by automatic hydraulic tensioners which need no maintenance at all during the life of the engine.

The 185 bhp 2.2 JTS and the 160 bhp 1.9 JTS

The 4-cylinder engines of the Alfa 159 are extremely light because they have aluminium cylinder heads and crankcases (they are approximately 20% lighter than the engines they replace

Another peculiar feature of the 2.2 and 1.9 JTS engines that equip the Alfa 159 is the camshaft drive system which uses a chain; unlike a conventional belt drive, this system has the advantage of not needing to be replaced during the lifespan of the engine.

And to guarantee the performance one expects of an Alfa Romeo, the timing diaphragm has also been reviewed, adopting larger profiles which made it possible to achieve a maximum power output of 6500 rpm (the system is fine tuned to operate at over 7,000 rpm, the maximum rev speed allowed by the electronic speed limiter).

That is not all. To achieve the best volumetric efficiency, the maximum lift reaches 10.3 mm, while to enhance vibrational and acoustic comfort, the engine is equipped with two counter-rotating balancer shafts which virtually eliminate the second degree alternate forces that are typical of straight-4 engines. The generous power delivery of the engine (80 bhp/l on the 2.2 JTS) made it necessary to adopt sodium-cooled exhaust valves.

Μετα το 4Car review...............

Tο Βρετανικο Autocar γραφει...

Βρηκαμε τον λογο για να μην αγορασουμε Γερμανικο

Ο χαριτος και η παρεα του οταν κανουν την μεταφραση για τα αδερφακια Drive-autocar-gr θα γραψουν βαθυστοχαστα-Δυστυχως ειναι προσθιοκινητο....αναμενω σχολια για να ευθυμησω και παλι.

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Αν πάντως σου την προσφέρει κανείς κι εσύ δεν την θες, εδώ είμαι εγώ! :D

Με το καλό φίλε μου... Anytime...

O θρονος της Bmw3 τριζει και μαλιστα απο αγγλικα Review....

Μετα το 4car,Autocar ας δουμε και το Autoexpress που προσπαθει να ισσοροπησει την κατασταση.

Alfa Romeo 159

Should Italy's most famous sporty saloon be better than Germany's? Alfa says its 159 - the eagerly anticipated replacement for the 156 - has got what it takes to finally beat the BMW 3-Series; and there is good reason for the firm's optimism.

Understandably, the 159 looks like a bigger, chunkier 156 - itself a fair success when it was launched. However, the original didn't turn out to be quite the BMW rival hoped for. A beautiful body was no use when the car broke down...

This time, Alfa is promising reliability, and revamping its dealer network to coincide with the 159's UK debut next February. That way, it will get the start it deserves. Top of the range is the 3.2-litre Q4 version driven here. Powered by a 260bhp V6 and four-wheel drive, it has enjoyed the benefit of an intensive test programme at Germany's notorious Nurburgring. It will be joined by a 1.9-litre model with 160bhp, a 185bhp 2.2 and two turbodiesels boasting 150bhp (1.9-litre) or 200bhp (2.4 five-cylinder).

Alfa's new 'Premium' platform underpins the 159, and will be used for the upcoming Brera coupe, too. Virtually nothing is carried over from the 156, and the petrol engines - all with variable inlet and exhaust timing - are based on General Motors' designs with Alfa-originated cylinder heads.

The Giugiaro-styled body is handsome and adopts an imposing stance. Its tough shoulder line is enhanced from the 156, although the concealed rear door handles have been ditched. Inside, the cabin has a chunkier, higher-quality feel, more space, extra air vents and a starter button. But while the seats and driving position are very comfortable, there are still flaws. The handbrake has been positioned

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to the right of the centre tunnel, hard up against the chair. Frankly, it is a bit of a mess! We also tried the 2.2-litre 159 which, as with the V6, has direct injection. And despite their GM genes, both petrol engines feel and sound like proper Alfa units.

The 2.2 has a crisp exhaust note, revs freely and pulls strongly from low speeds. The V6 is very tuneful, and feels powerful and smooth. On top of that, it has a great high-revs wail. Of the diesels, we drove the 2.4 JTD, which is torquey, long-legged and surprisingly refined. All 159s have six-speed manual transmission, while Selespeed sequential boxes are optional. Do these cars handle well? You bet! Pick of the bunch, not surprisingly, is the all-wheel-drive Q4 V6. Through corners its capable chassis feels assured, and there are huge amounts of grip on offer. Pushed hard, it seems almost rear-driven. The 2.4 JTD is nearly as good but not quite so agile, with its front-wheel drive (4WD is optional) and heavy nose.

Less weight on the leading wheels makes the 2.2 keener into corners at the expense of a more fidgety ride and reduced steering feel. All variants cope with bumps better than a 156, though. The steering response is still ultra-quick, but it is more progressive and the turning circle - woeful in the previous-generation cars - is usefully tighter.

So has Alfa finally created a model that will leave the BMW 3-Series bloodied? It is a tough call. Although the Italian certainly has the style and performance, reliability will not be proven overnight and buyer confidence will take time to build. However, the 159 is definitely a step forward from the 156; we cannot wait to drive one in the UK.

John Simister

Επισης σε ισπανικο Review ο δημοσιογραφος τονιζει οτι προτιμα τον καινουριο V6 που δεν υπολυπεται σε τιποτα ηχητικα απο τον παραδοσιακο και επιτελους δινει την λυση στο προβλημα της αποκρισης που αντιμετωπιζουν οι κινητηρες αμεσου ψεκασμου.

El motor V6 de 3,2 l me parece mejor que el anterior V6 de Alfa porque da una aceleracion mas llena a medio y bajo regimen. Tambien tiene una respuesta al acelerador rapida y directa, algo que es frecuente encontrar en motores de inyeccin directa. El corte de inyeccion est 7.000 rpm, hasta donde es capaz de llegar con fuerza y rapidez. Es un motor muy agradable de conducir en marchas largas, con el motor bajo de revoluciones o apurndolo hasta su lmite.

Φίλε nikos2004dj, τροποποίησα λίγο το μήνυμά σου, γιατί το quote ήταν πάρα πολύ μεγάλο... :)

 

 

Όσο για την 159 ---> :shock:

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οκ δεν παιζει προβλημα

Oι μελλοντικοι κινητηρες της Gt facelift....

1.8T.SPARK 140---1.9JTS 160

2.0JTS 165------2.2JTS 185

3.2V6 240------2.8JTS 230

1.9JTD m-jet 150/305nm ---- 1.9JTDm 150cv/320nm

αν η Αλφα ρομεο με την 156 εκανε στροφη 180 μοιρες και εβαλε γερα θεμελια για το μελλον,τωρα με αυτα που διαβαζω για 159 και brera,εβαλε φτερα για να πεταξει πολυ πιο μακρια απο τον ανταγωνισμο...

Η "μουρη" και το αεροδυναμικο σχημα της 159 δινουν αλλο αερα στην μεσαια κατηγορια,δινοντας στυλ και απλοχερη οδηγικη απολαυση σε οσους αναζητουν κατι περισσοτερο απο ενα καμουφλαρισμενο "βυτιο" για τις οικογενειακες μετακινησεις!

Οσο για την Βrera αποτελει το αυτοκινητο-σημαια για την εταιρεια και θα ειναι ενα κοσμημα στους δρομους και μια αστειρευτη πηγη ενθουσιασμου και ευτυχιας για τους τυχερους που θα την αποκτησουν.

38000 ευροπουλα για την 2.2 dinstictive και 185 αλογακια σε τετοιο περιτυλιγμα(Brera) ειναι ονειρο :w00t: (με δοσεις παντα και με προκαταβολη την 147 και κατι ψιλα :p )Βουρρρρ για Brera λοιπον με τα ματια κλειστα... :shifty: