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Xm egw 8a h8ela sthn epoxh ar8ourou kapou ekei peripou me magous kai ta resta auta m aresoun :p epieseis san 2 epilogh 8a balw 100-150 xronia sto mellon mono kai mono gia na dw pou 8a exei ftasei i texnologia se 8emata pou me endiaferoun ;)

mou to kanei kai mena kai exw kanei 3 anaba8miseis ws twra ara....alla de 8umame an to grafei sto video omws..alla to deixnei pou kai pou kiriws fenete se skoteinai seimia.Xm telika de mou to grafei mesa sto video eutixws!!!apla to deixeni ara mikro to kako sxetika.

parte kai ena wraio ar8raki gia ps2 vs pc ka8os kai ena en8eto mikro pou diabasa sta forum. The reason most people believe MHZ & GHZ, HZ in general are a measure of a systems power is because of Intel's great marketing scheme (read scam!). They didn't have enough R&D intellegence to actually improve the processor so all they've been doing for the past 10 years is uping the clock speed and adding more transistors. But they never bothered to think of a better way to IMPROVE the chips. For lack of time, i'll give you an example that should hopefully frame this into perspective. The PS2 has a 294.912 MHZ processor and can output: 6.2 GFLOPS (remember more GFLOPS is better) while an intell P4 running at 3ghz only outputs 3.1GFLOPS... a full two fold performance increase with less than 1/10 of the speed of the P4 3ghz. Auto einai kai gia ton filo mou ton incubo pou nomizei oti epeidi einai 300 mhz o epekseragstis tou ps2 einai kai mapa ;) ka8ws kai ena kalo link me olokrhro ar8ro gia to ti pezei. http://arstechnica.com/cpu/2q00/ps2/ps2vspc-1.html

Oxi :D kai an yparksoun kai alles plirofories sxetika meto 8ema, edw eimaste pali :p an kai den simbadizei akribws me to topic alla nomizw eimaste sta plaisia ;)

des edw to post me tis oikones. http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2004/0514/kaigai090.htm sou edwsa direct link mono pou einai ligaki sta giaponezika alla 8a katalabeis ti pezei.

an einai ontos 1000 fores pio dynato 8a prepei na einai 6.2 teraflops se dynamh.An kai ta blepw poli optimistic kai ekswpragmatika,alla den krybo oti to 8elw san trelos na einai etsi loll parakolou8w mia sizitish se ena forum Yeah but the point was XDR-DRAM is far far superior to any RAM out there now, besides the President and CEO of Sony said the PS3 will be 1000 times more powerful than the PS3 himself and no Sony official has said otherwise since so whoose to say it isnt true? pisteuoun oti 8a mporesei na kanei grafika sa tou FFSpirits within in realtime an ontos einai 1000 fores pio dynato,an kai mou fenete pollh re gamoto,twra den kserw an auto pou lei piw pano ali8eiei ti to eipe officialy i sony alla makari!!

Telika einai 6.2 teraflop kai oxi 1 pou elega sthn arxh :) pantws emena me blepw an einai alh8ina ta specs na to pernw me xilia,dedomenhs panta kai tis ypostiriksis pou 8a exei.An kai mou fenonte eksopragmatika ta specs alla pios kserei isws doume Cg i toulaxistwn konta se Cg epitelous.

Em auto sou leo kai egw.Otan sou eipa oti to CEll einai kati (epanastatiko) mou eleges oti h nea texnologia den shmenei oti einai kai kaluterh...Omws einai,alliws den yphrxe logos na mpoun 3 ppc.Loipon otan brw link gia parapanw plhrofories 8a postarw,kai elpizw gia to kalo mas na einai alh8ina ta specs,gia na doume epitelous grafika super poiotitas sta games,Eidika sta RPG pou pezw egw. Btw i sony kanei logo gia 1teraflop...Elpizw na mhn einai mousi.

Sthn erwtish mou omws apofeugeis na apanthseis ;) an 8es apantas fisika den 8a ekbiasw thn apanthsh sou.Fysika den mporoume na poume tipota sigouro akoma alla To 3 enation 1 kati mou lei emena,an esena den sou lei tipota megia sou me xara sou :) Otan brw link 8a postaro.Btw akougete akoma kai se xbox forums oti kai ta 3 ppc einai moufa kai oti den 8a balei pio megalo apo 4ghz.An kai ta specs akoma afou den einai official kai ap tis 2 mporoun na lene oti mousia 8eloun,pantws auth thn emonh sas me thn microsoft den thn katalabenw pragmatika,diladi fobame oti 8a pernate akoma kai microsoft slip an to kykloforouse :lol:

Kai den exeis to thlefono tou? isws mia lush einai na ksanakaneis update,pisteuw oti etsi 8a ginoun ola default.

1on prospa8eis na kerdiseis tis entupwseis me ena la8os pou ekana ek paradromhs giati biazomoun na postarw apo kseno xoro:whistle:Kai agnoeis eskemena oti sto idio post grafw auta: pes oti h sony den ypologisei to kostos pou 8a ne mallon mikrotero apo tous 3 Power pc,kai balei 2 Cell epeksergastes h microsoft posous 8a balei 6? ektos kai an DEN diabazeis esy ta posts twn allwn OLOKLIRA opws me proetrepses na kanw prin ;) paei auto to prospername.. ---------- Μία νέα τεχνολογία συνεπάγεται ΑΥΤΟΜΑΤΑ και την υπεροχή της; Δεν ξέρεις την υλοποίηση της MS (καταρχήν μου φαίνεται ότι τα PowerPC CPUs που θα πάρει το ΧΒΟΧ δεν έχουν βγει ακόμα, χωρίς να είμαι σίγουρος). Δεν ξέρεις τι επιδόσεις μπορεί να προσφέρει. Εγώ σου λέω ότι θα είναι καλύτερες από τις αντίστοιχες του PS3. Εσύ μπορείς να καταρίψεις αυτό που λέω με ΤΕΧΝΙΚΑ επιχειρήματα; Δεν νομίζω.------- Esy les pws oxi?tote sou leo oti h kainouria ati 8a einai pio argh apo thn palia pws to blepeis?stekei???????ara mallon einai atopo to epeixhrima sou auto.Pisteuw oti to 3-1 milaei apo mono tou se auto to seimeio,oute na to yperaspistw den xreiazete.. -------------Επίσης και οι PowerPC επεξεργαστές όπως και η τεχνολογία Cell αναπτύσονται σε συνεργασία με την IBM. Δεν νομίζω η ΙΒΜ να είναι τόσο ηλίθια ώστε να θίξει την MS δίνοντας της "σκάρτο πράμα" για να βάλει στο ΧΒΟΧ 2...απλά δεν την συμφέρει.------------- I IBM den pernei Sides kamias etairias AUTO den thn sinferei to an h sony exei kanei research gia ena chipaki kai to kataskeuazei i IBM den exei na kanei me skarto pragma alla me 8ema epiloghs ka8es etairias tou th 8elei na balei sto mhxanhma tis,eks allou to CELL einai patenta tis sony an 8umame kala kai kamia den mporei na to copiarei,Kai pali sto ksanalew 3 enantion 1 isws auto na mhn simenei tipota gia sena simenei omws gia thn microsoft ;) akoma kai an poume oti i microsoft me kapoio tropo kserei poso pragmatika dynato einai to CELL,autos 8a einai logika o logos pou 8elei na balei 3 enation 1 prospa8ontas na to xtypisei se dynami ,h microsoft opws kai ka8e etairia skeutete kai to euro akoma,giati se megales posotites einai megales kai oi xrhmatikes diafores!!!Den 8a yphrxe kanenas logos na balei 3 epesergastes an mporouse na sinagwnisth thn sony me enan :) -------------Τέλος η Sony νίκησε στο σύνολο την τωρινή μάχη για 2 λόγους. 1ον)Προβάδισμα στην κυκλοφορία της κονσόλας 2ον)Υποστήριξη από developers Σίγουρα ΔΕΝ νίκησε χάρη στην υπολογιστική δύναμη του PS2.------------- Oxi se dynamh twra 8a nikhsei opws deixnei to pragma,eks alou mono auto tis eleipe,i microsoft bike tuthn thn fora apenanti se ena kolosso den ta bazei me kamia etairioula,Xwria pou i sony exei kai to avantaz tou kataskeuasth kai meionei to kostos tis sto elaxisto dynaton,kati pou i MS de mporei na to kanei.. -------------Και από την στιγμή που η Microsoft σκοπεύει να κυκλοφορήσει το ΧΒΟΧ 2 το καλοκαίρι του 2005 και έχει ήδη αποσπάσει την υποστήριξη σχεδόν όλων των μεγάλων developers (EA, Square, Konami κλπ), η Sony έχει χάσει τους 2 άσους που είχε στο μανίκι της. Άρα το τοπίο αλλάζει.------------- Twra na milisw gia auto?i microsoft loipon kserwntas oti to mhxanhma tis den 8a einai pia to texnologiko epiteuma se eisagwgika pou htan to xbox,kai exontas xasei pia to atou tis to mono pou thn swzei(isws) einai na to kykloforisei 1h.Edw einai pou antistrafikan oi oroi,mono pou h sony exei kai thn DEDOMENH ypostiriksh apo oles tis etairies,kai exontas kai to dynatotero mhxanhma kai me mia kalh kampania,polu dyskoles wres 8a perasei i microsoft,pou den leo prospa8ei na kanei oti mporei me ta mesa pou dia8eti. -------------edit: Να προσθέσω 2 πράγματα. Πρώτον, από τη μία μπορεί η προσθήκη τριών CPU να ανεβάζει το κόστος του XBOX Next αλλά σκέψου ότι καταρχάς θα αγοράζονται σε τεράστιες ποσότητες άρα θα έχουν και την ανάλογη τιμή. Αυτή τη στιγμή το hardware αυτού του τύπου είναι τόσο ακριβό γιατί απλά δεν είναι mainstream. Επίσης αν αναλογιστείς την έρευνα που έχει κάνει η Sony για την τεχνολογία Cell, δεν μπορείς να είσαι σίγουρος ότι το κόστος για την παραγωγή ενός Cell chip δεv θα είναι εξίσου μεγάλο.------------- Oso kai ligotero na tis kostisei,akoma kai na parei terasties posostites, se tosa polla kommatia to kostos einai tromera megalo,edw sto x-box ebale celeron re sodan gia na meiwsei ligo to kostos kai twra mou milas gia 3power pc?AN to kanei auto pou den to nomizw oti thn sinferei giati pali na paei gia loss kai me to neo x-box?an to kanei loipon 8a to kanei mono prospa8ontas na xtypisei to neo chip tis sony me (palias) texnologias epekserasth,alliws apanthse mou pios o logos na balei 3 enantion 1?SE auto eidika to erwthma 8elw apanthsh,mia kai les kai pio panw oti I nea texnologia den shmenei oti einai kai kaluteri :o -------------Δεύτερον, ακούγεται στην Scene (χωρίς να είναι επιβεβαιωμένο όμως!) ότι η Microsoft μπορεί να έχει αρχίσει να κατασκευάζει δικά της Chips για το ΧΒΟΧ (ξεκινώντας από τα Video και Bios chips για την έκδοση 1.6). Επαναλαμβάνω ότι τίποτα δεν είναι σίγουρο αλλά υπάρχουν πολλές ενδείξεις (τα εν λόγω chips δεν βρίσκονται σε καμία άλλη συσκευή και δεν αναφέρονται πουθενά στο διαδίκτυο οπότε υπάρχει περίπτωση να είναι propertiary chips της ΜS). ------------- Twra gia to sigekrimeno de gnwrizw kati alla den kserw kai pou mporei na boh8isei auto..den katalaba ti enoeis alei8eia,gia eksigise to kalutera an mporeis..

Den sou eipa pote oti einai tsipaki gragikwn!!! ;) omws prepei na paradexteis oti i microsoft authn thn fora xrisimopoiei (palaia) texnologia kai an 8es kai dokimasmenh enw h sony kati teleios kainourio kai epanastatiko,apo authn thn apopsi kai mono to ps3 einai texnologika anwtero apo to eperxomeno xbox.Mporei na mhn kseroume akoma to poso dynato 8a einai an einai 1000 fores i 800 alla katw apo auta ta epipeda de nomizw na pesei,auth einai mia prosopiki mou twrinh ektimisi.Pantws oti xrisimopoiei anwterh texnologia auto einai kati pou den mporeis na to amfisbitiseis,fysika 8a to doume ligaki argotera otan bgoun pio polla stoixeia,alla opws sou eixa pei kai prin i sony kerdise thn (maxh) me mia konsola ousiastika katoteri se dynatotites,gia fantasou ti exei na ginei me mia konsola pou kai idia na einai se dynatotites me to xbox,akoma diladi kai an ola pane straba gia thn sony kai de bgoun oi ektimiseis tis swstes btw ftiaxnete apo thn IBM an de kanw la8os,Twra mhn ksexnas oti h sony einai etairia hlektronikwn kai ta perissotera an oxi ola ta kataskeuazei i idia me kostos polu mikrotero kai me megaluters anoxes apo thn microsoft,Oso twra gia na balei 3cpu mallon mou fenete polu atopo giati 3 cpu 8a feroun to mhxanima se apagoreutika epipeda kostous,loipon paw sinema ta ypoloipa aurio ;)

8a sou pw aurio to brady kai gi to GC kai gia to cell,twra eimai apo ena grafeio to mono pou 8a sou pw apo edw einai oti h sony bazei to cell pou einai 1 olokainourgia CPU teleuteas texnologias,gia na thn (kontrarei) h microsoft bazei 3 Power pc auto mono skepsou....pes oti h sony den ypologisei to kostos pou 8a ne mallon mikrotero apo tous 3 Power pc,kai balei 2 Cell epeksergastes h microsoft posous 8a balei 6?Oti einai pio pisw texnologika i microsoft auto fenete sthn sigekrimenh periptwsei twra 8es na to arnh8eis? afou to pragma milaei apo mono tou,8a se enymerwsw sxetik me oti mporesw na brw apo aurio bradaki.Auto pou sou eipa mono skepsou kai tipota allo,nomizw oti milaw polu logika me ta gegonota 3Ppc enantion 1 cell auto de sou lei tipota?Ta ypoloipa aurio ;)

Esy den katalabeneis file!!arkei na deis ta 2 mhxanhmata kai 8a katalabeis egw ta exw dei kai ta 2 na pezoun an twra de mporeis na to katalabeis auto ti sou ftew?:whistle:Ta kolimata kai to xasimo frames pou exei to GC den pezonte twra an de to pisteueis trexa des to kai sigrine ena game 3d paromoio arcade as poume me ps2 kai 8a deis ti enoo...Twra gia thn ATI na sou pw ti egine kanena 8auma mhpws kai ksafnika 8a apoxtisei super tech ?lesna bgalei 100 fores pio grhgoro apo X800 e auto 8a ne pio megalo 8auma kai apo to 8auma sthn kana loll

an brw to link re si file 8a sto dwso alla an 8umame kala htan 20ek ps2 2+to Gc kai 3-4 to xbox twra isws na exoun anebei ligaki ta pososta alla apo 4 se 20 polu xlomo n kaluf8oun,loipon teleiwnei i mpataria sto forito gmt kai ksexasa sthn 8hba to reuma!!!!Anagastika twra 8a labete nea mou apo sabbato...auta gia thn wra exw monon 5 lepta akoma :(

Sodan file mou einia anwtero apo to gamegube se dynamh se texnikes ysteri to GC einai h pio adynamh konsola tis agoras apla se texnikes grafikwn erxete 2 auto omws den exei na kanei me tio posa polugwna kinei to ps2 exei megalh ypologistiki dynamh alla i sony ekane tis lalakies tis kai to psilotsakise to mhxanhma...twra einai kai ligaki poliploko to 8ema kai den mporw na to eksigisw authn thn stigmh isws katababeis ti enoo isws oxi..den ginete na grafw olokriro katebato pali.Oso gia to ps3 sou eipa 8es to 1000 na giei 300 8es 200? poso nomizeis oti 8a pesei ekssw h sony ap tis ektimiseis tis?Diabase kanena kseno forum gia to ti exoun na poun sites pou asxolounte ektenestera me to 8ema kai 8a deis,Emena btw m aresei i ati san etairia twra gia to fimologeite oti 8a mpei r500 e ti allo perimeneis na mpei re si sodan? to r1000?se 1 xronaki to 500 8a exei etoimo i ati ti perimeneis kanena 8auma? BTW den kserw an exei dei GC alla ta games tou grafika einai kalutera sxetika apo ps2 alla ysteroun polu se taxytita kanoun trella kolimata akoma kai kapoia pou ta 8eorousa polu apla,auto to leo giati ttyxenei na exw enan filo me GC kai na dw osa games eixe,as poume ena paromoio me to jax and daxter stops2 pigene sfera kai ta kolimata pou ekane sto GC htan POLY aist8ita..

auto pou les einai allo.an psakseis 8a deis oti paradextike htta sto polemo tis twrinhs genias 8a sou edina to link alla de 8umame pou to xw dei mia kai den to kratisa afou den me endiefere...To paradestike htta de simenei oti 8a bgei na to pei anoixta akoma kai 1 atomo na to pei apo ekei mesa ftanei.Diladi twra 8es na mou peis oti to xbox exei poulisei pio polu apo to ps2 se ari8mous ap thn mera tis kukloforias tou?Gati gia na to stirikseis auto prepei na dwseis kai link ;)eno egw prin ligo kairo diabasa 2psifio ari8mo gia ps2 kai monopsifio gia xbox!!

to pagosmios sou lei tipota? se pagosmio epipedo oute na to dei eks alou akoma kai i mirosoft to paradexete se sinentefksis se sites an psakseis 8a breis kapoies oti exei xasei thn maxh se authn thn geneia twra an de 8elete na to paradexteite eseis allo kapelo ;)

na sou pw to 1000 fores pio dynato de sou lei tipota esena? :whistle:exeis thn entyposh oti to chip tis ati einai xiles fores pio dynato h an 8es an poume opws legan kai i microsoft oti to xbox htan xexe 3 fores pio dynato apo to ps2:whistle: as paroume auta ta dedomena tis microsoft loipon exeis thn entypwsh oti to chip tis ati einai 300+fores pio dynato?2 8es kai 3? fores pio dynato kai me ta xilia zoria kai mhn mou peis pou to kserw e?ektos an h ati ksafnika aneptikse super texnologia kai apo to teleuteo tis radeon ksafnika mas paei se silicon graphics!!!To link pou sou edwsa me to chart einai mesa apo thn sony an den sou lei tipota oti h sony exei san stoxo na petyxei 1000 fores thn dynamh tou ps2,kai den nomizw na einai anohth kai na mhn kserei ti lei kai 8es na thn petyxei kai 500?H diafora mege8ous dynamewn an den alaksei tipota 8a einai megalh,giati akoma kai 3 ppc na balei sta 3,5to chipaki ton grafikwn den einai se 8esh na to ekmetaleuti ara doron adoron,ase pou i microsoft einai manoula se pseftika rumours ;)

filika panta mallon den exeis idea apo RPG file mou auta pou anafereis esy den einai kan rpg ta perissotera...5-6 teleiwno se 2 mhnes egw!!!Akou poiotika RPG tou xbox kai prwths grammhs lol telos pantwn auto.Twra gia to pal pou to problhma afou to diko mou pezei ola ta format:whistle:Sto mono pou sinfono einai oti to xbox einai ena fthno kalo sxetika pc egw omws exw ena top pc kai de mou kegete karfi gia to xbox!!!Pantws kalo 8a einai na epixirimatologeis panw se swsth bash an ksereis ti simenei rpg de ta les auta pou les :)To na mou les ta 70 saboures kai ta 17 penixra rpgtzakia tou xbox super e twra auto shkonei gelio :p pio kalo 8a tan na paradexteis oti to ps2 einai konsola gia rpg kai to xbox oxi kai teleiose to panugiri,To xbox einai kalo gia polla games alla rpg kai adventure den exei!!!Ta rpg tou xbox 8a me kratousan 6-7 mhnes? meta to petousa kai sta skoupidia diladi e? Auto pou de mporw na katalabw einai giati de paradexeste oti gia rpg kai adventure tp xbox einai patata apo apopsi oti den exei tetoia games gia kalpoi agames einai polu kalo gia to eidos omws pou me endiaferei apla einai ligo.....ta ka8aroema rpg pou exei metrionte sta 3 daxtyla kai de kserw an leo kai poly!!!

Thanks re sy prophet :)

Em kane mia bolta na deis posa rpg exei anakoinosei to ps2 iaponika kai mh kai meta mas ta les auta,RPG pou pezw kai sto pc de xreiazete na ta exw 2 fores!!! Twra an esy ta 8eleis 2 fores mia sto pc kai mia sto xbox e ok ;) eipame poikilia 8elw ta prg tou xbox ta pezw kai sto pc tou ps2 ta PRG sto pc den yparxoun!!!Elpizw na egina katanohtos ;) Apo auta ola pou eipes to mono pou den yparxei sto pc einai to shenmue ti allo na pw twra...Ante na pw kai kati allo ta rpg tou xbox pou exoun anakoino8ei mazi me osa penixra exei einai 17-20 ws twra..trexa metra tou ps2 kai 8a deis oti einai panw apo 70!!Kai to 90% einai PRG pou de 8a ta breis alou kai oxi apla metafores apo eidi yparxonta sto pc,Den afhsa kai polla peri8oria twra ;) An nomizeis oti leo yperboles trexa mia boltoula apo to ign.com,Kai an peis oti to ign den ta exei ola auto ysxhei kai gia tis 2 consoles,apla kaneis mia sigrisi mege8ous kai katalabeneis giati milame..Btw oi titloi pou les den einai oloi rpg exeis balei kai action rpg akoma kai adventure style mesa telos pantwn,mia episkepsi sto ign 8a se Pc ;)Osa eipa parapanw sto prohgoumeno post mou ysxhoun,kai de xreiazete na ta epanalabw pali. oriste kai ta links gia tous apistous 8wmades gia na katalaboun oloi pia pios o logos na agoraseis ps2!! http://ps2.ign.com/genre_14.html adventure link :wacko: http://ps2.ign.com/genre_6.html RPG link :whistle: Yg:re ELTEO mhn to poulas akoma to ps3 exei 1,5 xrono akoma prin bgei sthn agora :p

an 8es file mou 8a sou dwso to mail tou pediou na kanoniseisexei kai games autos ;)

Elteo nomizw oti to xbox 2 8a bgei prin to ps3 ap oti eixa akousei alla kai pali 8adeis ti paketo exei na pesei ;) giati lene oti to xb0x 2 den 8a ne symbato me to palio pramga pou mou fenete periergo giati einai ousiastika pc alla telospanton,8a psaksw gia kanena neo kai 8a sas pw. loipon deite to link kai prosekste to diagrama pou exei i sony sxetika me thn konsola.. http://ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=250