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Ti 8a 8eles na grapsei diladi? gia pes esy ena titlo pou 8a teriaze kalutera...Giati les oti ta meiwnei egw den eida na meiwnei tpt to na lei oti as poume den mporei se ral time na bgalei ta 125mp pou lei shmenei oti ta meiwnei?Diladi i microft pou ta auksise texnientos kai ebale tis apolutes times pou mporei to mhxanhma na kanei,alla xwris na pei gia tous periorismous pou exei kai den mporei na ta kanei sthn pragmatikotita ti einai kaluterh?Diladi 8a prepei o allos na lei oti ta kanei gia na mhn 8ewreis oti ta meiwnei? Eks alou opote kai na graftike to ar8ro ta specs den alaksan!!

na sou pw kati exi idea kai eidika sthn arxitektonikh like pc,oti an h cpu den einai arketa dynath i GPU xantakwnete? kai 200gf na einai i gpu 8a paei oso tis epitrepei i CPU na paei ,aki an ypo8esw akoma oti einai 3gf h cpu den ftanei na (gemisei) thn GPU kai as einai oxi mono 200 alla kai 1TF,Twra elpizw na to epiases to nohma giati ta lei auta :D

MPEEE lupame pou to leo alla prepei na se dei giatros.... Nai exei sdikio to xbox einai ontws teleuteo stis pwlhseis pantou se olo ton kosmo pio pisw kai ap to gamecube molis me 13ek komatia pagosmiws kai 13,5 to gamecube kai 70ek to ps2,mou 8umizeis ton pnigmeno pou pianete ap ta malia tou loll epiteslous poulisame 5 consoles pio polles ap to ps2 auton ton mhna!! pirame thn prwtia :confused: MPEEE MPEEEEEEEEE :worry: Mallon metamorfo8hka se probato :blink:

xaxa ti na sou kanw exasa to site loll koita auta pou eipa parapanw nomizw pros to parwn oti einai kapws bata diladi kamia consola den kanei kala ta panta,Auto to leo ospou na dw ta nea games tou ps2 :p Btw to ar8ro auto pou brhkes pws sou fenete ? :p lei kat esena blakeies i oxi na riskarw na apanthsw nai lei blakeies? :D den kserw pou einai i alh8eia giati einai poluploko to 8ema mono enas hardware analyser 8a mas to elune pisteuw ka8ara apo texnikis apopsews,giati oti kai na deiksw egw h eseis an den einai apo Hardware analyser den kserw kata poso metraei kai einai plhrws alh8ei,Twra h ta games siga siga 8a to deiksoun i an breite i brw ena article apo texnologiko periodiko ,pou na mhn einai fun oute tis mias oute tis allhs. Xe an kai mporw na pw oti fenete arketa antikimeniko mia kai lei kai kala kai asxhma kai gia tis 2.

Pantws gia na eimai hlikrineis apoluta a;po ta search pou ekan ws twra blepw oti kamia consola den einai kalh se ola,allou xanei i mia allou i allh,Twra to poso einai alh8eia auta mono otan me thn boh8eia tou performance analyser kataferoun na pousaroun to ps2 sto terma 8a doume ti mporei kai ti den mporei na kanei. Oxi re file den kserw pws ginonte apla me thn logiki milaw twra den 8umame ti elege to site gia na sta pw akribws...archtecnika kapws etsi to legan gmt.

Den eipa terastia eipa thn diplasia ara diladi paradexese oti einai moufes ta specs?Giati an htan ali8ina 8a eprepe na kanei papades to xbox toulaxistwn 15 fores pio kala games(genika).Twra oso gia to asteio pou les me to ps2 hardware h sony edwse ena development kit auton ton xrono pou einai MHXANHMA kai oxi software ton performance analyser gia na mporoun na eksereunisoun pio kala thn consola an 8umame kala,kai logika 8a prepei siga siga na bgazei pio kala games,to poso kala 8a to doume ;)Twra gia to link den to briskw kapou mesa sta post pou ekana einai alla den 8uamame pou epsaksa kama 10 selides kai mou bghkan ta matia...Htan to comparisson PS2 vs PC pou o sodan amfisbitise giati kai kala einai vs pc kai oxi xbox(auto exei plaka :))<An to breis ekei lei oti o P4 3ghz einai 3.1 Gf twra einai dynatwn na einai o Celeron 733 3GF?Kai auto to texnoko comparisson htan pera gia pera antikimeniko giati den eitan apo funboys alla apo ka8ara texniko site,alla blepeis o sodan to amfisbitise me thn dikaiologia oti den elege gia to xbox alla gia pc,Auto pou me kanei kai gelaw me to 8ema auto einai oti to xbox einai pc kai gia auton ton logo to phrate oi perisoteri :D

8a sou dwso to link alla den apanthses se oti rwtisa apanthse se auto pou rwtisa an 8es ;)

Fisika 8a sou apanthsw 1a den kserw kan pioi einai auth pou les psxfanatics shmenh oti einai ps2 funs?Egw mesa sta forums tous den eida na milane pou8ena gia ps2 ti sto kalo fanatics einai tote,gia oti 8es milane ektos apo ps2 lolKai esy apanthse mou se auto afou einai tosa GF pou sto kalo einai ta super grafika pou eprepe na deixnh?Mia kai i diafora einai APLA terastia se dynamh;

Gia deikse mou re sodan pou einai auto pou les?Kai poses fores kanete thn papia kai den apantate e?H mhpws 8es na pantaw egw se 5-6 atoma se ola osa lene krataw ta pio basika kata thn gnwmh mou gia pes mou pio einai ena basiko pou den apanthsa?Kai epeidi psilobarethika thn olh katastash kai den einai dynatwn na apantaw se 5-6 atoma monos mou,kai epeidi feugw diakopes 8a afhsw na deiksh o xronos pios exei dikio pou einai kai to kalutero ;)

Re brutus twra diladi apo 80 egine 140GF e? :lol: Pw pw pantws gia 140Gflops re pedia se sxesh me ta 6.2 ftwxa tou Ps2 ta grafika tou einai mapa..Twra auta ta pisteuete e?

File ctony_a an den ksereis na diatyponeis kala ta osa les den sou ftaiw egw!!!An o idios anereis ta legomana sou kata kapoio tropo mesa sto idio sou to post,isws 8a tan kalutera tote na ta diatyponeis pio swsta.Twra fysika kserw den 8a mpeis sto kopo opws kai kaneis sas den mpenei na sigrinei tis @@ries pou lei o hank h o ka8e hank apla tis pernei san dedomenes etsi den mou legate emena?Egw sas prokalw olous sas na kanete ena search sto net na deite posa GF einai o 733 CPU tou xbox kai meta ksanamiliste gia ton hank kai thn antikoimenikotita tou.Alla an to kanete mallon 8a ginw egw monaxos anti o superfot,Gia na sas dw!!!Egw 8a stamatisw na postarw edw ospou na kanete ena search na deite posa GF einai o 733,kai an einai 3 GF h CPU pou lei o hank egw 8a paradexto oti exete dikio!!! LOIPON sas prokalw na apanthsete se auto pou eipa.Kai den to leo 8umwmena fysika apla kapoia fora prepei na apantate se kapoia pragmata kai oxi na ta pernate sto ntoukou sa na mhn ta akousate :confused:Kai etsi den 8a mporw kai egw na pw meta oti apantate se oti san SYMFERI :)

Ευχαρίστως να τα συγκρίνουμε αν και το έχω κάνει ήδη με 2 παιχνίδια mgs2 substance και lord of the ring 3 και το xbox κερδίζει χωρίς συζήτηση και σε framerate και σε πολύγωνα - εμφάνιση και σε εφε. Am den blepw?eks alou na eise sigouros oti an exei kalutera grafika kai efe 8a to DW.Auto pou sou eipa gia thn CPU den 8a mpeis ston kopo na to koitakseis gia na deis poso aksiopistos einai o hank e? Telos sou ksanaleo kai pali an mporouse na metri8ei e? loll kalo auto,loipwn an mporouse na merti8ei loipwn opws lei o typos,pou einai aksiopistos opws les ase pou to kserw xronia to site kai kserw poso aksiopisto einai..asto auto, an mporouse na metri8ei to 1 exei dynamh sinoliki loipwn 80GF kai to allo 6GF ara eiai i den einai 12+ fores pio dynato? Loipwn egw 8elw na ta sigrinoume ta pexnidia ektos kai den 8elete eseis,afou i consola einai toulaxistwn 12 fores dynatoteri de nomizw na exete problima e?

Nai kai o hank diladi gia sena einai aksiopistos eno o allos oxi e? :D xaxaxa re mono apo auto pou lei oti to 1 kanei 6,2Gflops kai to allo 80Gflops den sou ftanei na deis oti lei m@l@kies?egw sou apodeiknio PANEUKOLA oti lei m@l@akies apla kane ena search na deis posa GF bgazei i 733cpu pou autos ysxirizete oti bgazei 3 MONO h CPU,8a deis oti 3GF bgazei o P4 3+GHZ,Loipwn des to auto na deis ti aksiopistia exei o typos,Exeis kamia idea ti grafika mporoun na bgaloun 80gflops?An einai ta games 15 fores kalutera,tote ok,Oso gia ton hank (ypoti8ete) oti einai computer alla prepei na einai poli ekseligmeno gia na milaei etsi,mhpws einai kanena computer tis nasa?Den blepeis oti h douleia einai ababa?Exw dei kai paliotera diloseis tou hank gia to 8ema,kai den nomizw oti einai aksiopistws,MONO kai mono pou lei oti i mia kanei 6,2gflops kai h allh 80gflops enw ta games exoun den exoun mikres diafores metaksy tous,osa exoun diladi giati merika einai pio kala sto ps2 opws to metal of honor rising sun kai kata thn gnwmh mou to msg2 kai to ZOE2 kai oxi to 1 pou elege o sodan pou eixe dei palia.Loipwn einai pote dynaton mia toso ysiri consola na exei estw kai 1 game inferior?Giati file an exei tote apla o hank lei @@ries,giati an lei psemata gia to 80Gflops lei kai gia ta alla ;) ksana epanalambano EXEIS idea ti grafika 8a bgazan ta 80gflops ?Eks alou kamia consola dne mporei na kanei ena soro efe mazi giati 8a pa8ei plaka eite einai xbox eite ps2,ektos fysika kai einai 80gflops e tote 8a mporei mallon ;) Eks alou nomizw oti 8a me diapseush i 8a sas diapseush i ekseliksi twn games tou ps2,as perimenoune na doume loipwn pios exei la8os e?Ws tote as sigrinoume ta games sta 2 mhxanhmta ton 6.2gf kai 80gf :eek: Xwria pou den mou apanthsate pios apo tous dyo sas lei psemata esy i o sodan giati esy eleges oti to msg2 einai kalutero kai se grafika kai se efe kai se ola,enw o sodan elege mono se framerates.Sorry alla den 8a sas afhsw na ksefigete etsi eukola apo thn apanthsh,gia na doume poso feregia milate oxi tipota allo :)

diladi enoeis oti xanei sta kapoia efe as poume to ps2 giati edw akouw oti xanei pantou,Ase pou auto pou les einai ka8ara diki sou ektimisi giati egw akousa oti to mgs2 exei pio simplified efe sto xbox apo to ps2 8a 8ela loipwn na dw an alei8euei i oxi auto,episeis den m apanthses parapanw pios apo tous 2 sas lei psemata?Kai giati to moha deixneh kalutera sto ps2 mi akai to xbox exei kai thn dynamh kai ta efe gia na exei thn kaluteri ekdosh,mazi ftiaxtikan apo oso kserw !!!! Kai kati allo auto pou les oti i konami den aksiopoihse tis dynatotites tou xbox einai megalo la8os,giati ta efe pou exei to xbox einai fixed kai ta shaders den kanoun ta panta!!kai autos einai o logos pou exei pio simplified efe giati i cpu tou den einai dynath gia na mporesei na ta kanei se software opws ta kanei to ps2.Den perimeno na sinfoniseis fysika,alla opoios kserei ti leo katalabenei.

Kai kati allo gia na mhn ksanakanw edit 8a to grapsw edw.Maresoun oi dikaiologies pou dinete genika milaw oti a einai ftiagmeno gia ps2 kai sto xbox den deixnh kala den to eftiakssan na deixnh kala,otan omws ta games tou pc bgenoun gia xbox(h kai games pou bgenoun se xbox) pou ousiastika einai paromoio hardware,kai den einai toso kala sto ps2 ekei lete gia koita exoun diafores ara einai pio dynath consola.xexe polu m aresei auto pragmati deixnh ka8ara ti pezete,gia opoion exei ta matia na to dei fysika :)

Ara loipwn to ena to bgazeis oti to ekane i konami downgrade as poume,kai to allo oti einai eidika gia ps2 kai ekei deixnei kalutera auto enoeis? :D kai kati allo m aresei pws ta blepete eseis ta pramata ali8eia :o . Ctony_a:Ευχαρίστως να τα συγκρίνουμε αν και το έχω κάνει ήδη με 2 παιχνίδια mgs2 substance και lord of the ring 3 και το xbox κερδίζει χωρίς συζήτηση και σε framerate και σε πολύγωνα - εμφάνιση και σε εφε. sodan:Και κάτι ακόμα για το MGS2...τα framerates θα τα δεις...τα εφέ (που μπορεί να παράγει το ΧΒΟΧ) πως να τα δεις αφού η ΚΟΝΑΜΙ δεν έκανε τον κόπο να τα προγραμματίσει. ti periergo.. :confused: pios ap tous 2 sas lei psemata twra? :worry: Pantws sodan otan kapoio pexnidi einai kalutero se ps2 kati briskeis na peis etsi?Enw 8umame se pio palia posts mou legate na brw ena pexnidi pou na deixnh kalutera twra kati briskete pali gia na dikaiologi8eite,auto emena m arkei pantws :)

Re ctony_a sorry alla ti douleia exoun ta link pou dineis me to hardware :confused: Giati revan den einai psevdi einai paraplanhthka den einai xazh na grasei oseudi yparxoun arketoi tropoi na paraplaniseis xwris na bgaleis pseudi stoixeia an diabazes swsta to ar8ro xwris prokatalipsi 8a eblepes to giati,pantws einai krima otan den diabazete swsta to ar8ro kai lete oti sas boleuei,Egw pantws 8elw polu na ta dw ta kalutera framerates kai grafika tou msg2 opws kai na sigrinoume To jak2 me opoiodipote allo platform exete tetoiou typou.Kai afou i microsoft ysxirizete oti exei 3x dynamh enanti tou ps2 8a perieno na einai toulaxistwn 2 fores kalutera,Apanthste mou se auto prepei i oxi na einai 2 fores kalutera ?an peite oxi sorry alla einai san na paradexeste oti sas douleuei psilo gazi kai AN ginete auto exete faei xontro doulema :o ,Twra oso gia oti den ekane kalh metafora ktlp auto to leo kai egw me ta games tou pc kai xbox pou bgenoun kai gia ps2 an einai etsi.Pragmatika 8elw na dw eidika ta framerates kai ta efe tou mgs2,Opws kai to metal of honour the rising sun,E sas ksanaleo den pisteuw mia consola 3 fores pio dynath na (xasei) se kapoio game etsi den einai?Kai eidika sto metal of honour pou einai game apo pc :o

E meta tis diakopes tote giati se 4 meres feugw ;) an exei ta MGS2 ktlp 8a ta ferw mazi me to JAK2 na deis oti auta pou leo den einai apla @@ries,kai oti ta games kalutereuoun simantika kai apo efe kai apo grafika.

Afou den einai re loll ebala 1 game twra molis ti allo na sas pw,sas eipa mexri kai na to deite apo konta!!!

E den peirazei 8es na ta deis se real time pou ta exw? etsi 8a fanei auto pou les opws kai auta pou eipa parapanw na ta sigrinoume pia einai pio kalh ekdosh ps2 vs xbox 8a 8eles mhpws?Osa apo auta exoume telos pantwn.Loipwn molis twra ebala to 1 game kai sou leo oti den einai retousarismenes 8a 8eles na to diapistwseis kai esy?

omws den leo gia tis fotos,ti edwsa mono giati me exoun priksei me to antialising kai ta efe,emena autos o dromos eidika sto game tou ps2 to raly kati mou fernei se shaders re pedia,re si les na exei telika pixel shader?giati edw ta pedia ysxirizonte oti den einai ikano na kanei ta efe soft,enw autos o blakas sto ar8o lei oti mporei kala 8a ne megalos blakas etsi?.Egw leo gia ta sigekrimena games champions of norath ,MGS2,ZOE2 kai sillent hill 3 gia auta leo kai 8a 8ela polu na dw to xbox pou einai tosoo dynato pws ta paei sta games auta,O8onh me o8onh dipla dipla!!!8a pw 1 akoma i egw prepei na eimai yperbolikos kai fantasiopliktos h eseis den eisaste ikanoi na aksiologisete swsta tis plhrofories pou blepete,SIGOURA ysxisei ena apo ta dyo,twra to pio 8a ma8oume sto kontino mellon :confused:

gia des auta pou eipa kai na se sigouros 8a deis diafores alla apo thn anti8eth pleura apo oti perimenoun oloi :o kai ew eimai egw pedia na tis doume mazi to ganti sas to eriksa na doume 8a apanthsh kapoios pou einai toso sigouros,(pisteuw na brw xrono giati exw mono 4 meres giati feugw diakopes) alla yparxei kai to meta, :)

kala laz des ta games pou anafera pio panw mia kai exeis kai tis 2 konsoles kai mou les meta pio einai kalutero kai pou.Loipon arxisan mallon ta games tou ps2 deila deila na kalutereuoun arketa gia na doume telika 8a exw dikio?Kai an exw 8a perimeno apo kapoious edw na to poun anoixta opws 8a ekana kai egw i 8a kanw an den exw!!

ma den kanei tl software file mou mono efe :) eks alou einai 2x pio powerfull nomizw oti auto prepei na ftanei(etsi nomizw) http://www.cybercrash.be/xb0xr0x0rs.jpg Auta ta games ta exw kai egw (sxedon)ola kai den einai retousarismena,mporeite na ta deite opote 8elete!!!auto me ton an8ropo den to xw omws pio einai kanena indy :p

Oxi agori mou den ta dexete abiasta opws les ektos kai an den diabases kala to ar8ro!!egw eida na eksigei pws kai giati bgenoun auta ta 75h 66 de 8umame twra poligwna.opws eksigei ta panta ekei mesa mono pou den 8es na to deis klasika,nai file sodan einai to idio ena mhxanhma me 6,2 gflops power kai to idio ena me 3 ok synfono.8a 8ela episeis na dw to MGS2 se sena kai na ta sigrinoume an ginete na doume ta efe pou les kltp 8a 8eles? h opoios allos 8elei edw eimai.8a 8ela polu na dw pio exei ta pio kala efe kai framerate,An loipon eiste toso sigouri parakalw kaleste me.Episeis an exei bgei to Silent hill 3 gia esa 8a h8ela na to dw kai auto.Champions of Norrath opws kai auto.Loipon afou i consola einai toso powerfull oso lete 8a prepei kiriolektika na pataei katw ta games auta tou ps2 afou einai kai gia tis 2 consoles (osa einai),8a 8elate na to diapistwsete kai monh sas;arkei na exete 2 thleoraseis,kapoios apo tous 2 mas meta 8a diapistwsei kati 8elete na doume pios 8a einai?An faei ta moutra tou to xbox estw kai apo 1 game tou ps2 mia kai i consola einai toso powerfull oso lete kai eukola programatizomenh,Se kamia periptwsei den prepei na ysteri apo to ps2 se game,mia kai ta games einai pou 8a sas peisoun etsi den lete?Loipwn prokalo opoiwn apo esas einai a8hna na ta doume :o